Curse

Missing HB · Dec 27, 2010, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Well , i was told to stop perpetuating myths about people smurfing in GvG . However , yesterday we lost the only 2 fights we did to N/A rating 1000 guilds which were smurf unfortunately. At first i didn't really know , but when i saw now that both did win C and A AT ( you can watch it right now at tolkano) and when i saw that all players were from [Inc] ( you can check that on B too) , i can hardly believe i was wrong .

I know their purpose is to not be known on GvG MAt and not get antibuilded , but it's still not really fair , considering that some people don't get that many fights at low ratings...

Artisan Archer · Dec 27, 2010, 09:59 AM // 09:59

It IS a bit of a problem when people keep recreating guilds at rating 1k (which is pretty pointless imo, since the first couple of fights will just be steamrolls and not enjoyable for both sides). I wouldn't know what would be a good counter measure to it tbh. I played against the same guys you played proberly and needless to say we lost (we're a pretty bad rank 300 guild) but yeah, all you can do is just try again.

*lemming* · Dec 27, 2010, 11:07 AM // 11:07

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Well , i was told to stop perpetuating myths about people smurfing in GvG . However , yesterday we lost the only 2 fights we did to N/A rating 1000 guilds which were smurf unfortunately. At first i didn't really know , but when i saw now that both did win C and A AT ( you can watch it right now at tolkano) and when i saw that all players were from [Inc] ( you can check that on B too) , i can hardly believe i was wrong .

I know their purpose is to not be known on GvG MAt and not get antibuilded , but it's still not really fair , considering that some people don't get that many fights at low ratings...

I presume that you're talking about iBot and nH?

iBot is a reform, nH is a new smurf of GG/Cake. Neither one featured "all players from Inc."

Besides, when smurfs are being ATed on, they're usually not being laddered on, and they definitely don't stay in the rating 1000 range.

tldr: Smurfs exist; they don't exist for the purpose of farming new players.

Killed u man · Dec 27, 2010, 01:03 PM // 13:03

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Originally Posted by lemming

I presume that you're talking about iBot and nH?

iBot is a reform, nH is a new smurf of GG/Cake. Neither one featured "all players from Inc."

Besides, when smurfs are being ATed on, they're usually not being laddered on, and they definitely don't stay in the rating 1000 range.

tldr: Smurfs exist; they don't exist for the purpose of farming new players.

Yeah, but it's not like they don't ladder because they don't want to. They don't ladder because anno 2011, it's simply not worth it anymore.

When GvG was still active, 4 years ago, despite there being a shitton of -1100 guilds, there was also alot of smurfs in those days. People did it because there simply was so many people playing.

Point being:

If GvG were to become active all of a sudden (read: ladder), watch how many guilds will decide to smurf again. Be it to test new builds, or be it just to farm worse players.

infi · Dec 27, 2010, 02:05 PM // 14:05

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

Yeah, but it's not like they don't ladder because they don't want to. They don't ladder because anno 2011, it's simply not worth it anymore.

When GvG was still active, 4 years ago, despite there being a shitton of -1100 guilds, there was also alot of smurfs in those days. People did it because there simply was so many people playing.

Point being:

If GvG were to become active all of a sudden (read: ladder), watch how many guilds will decide to smurf again. Be it to test new builds, or be it just to farm worse players.

ladder will never mean anything because ATs were relized.

Aljasha · Dec 27, 2010, 04:30 PM // 16:30

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Originally Posted by xhappy feetx

Somewhat false, GWFC is partially responsible for Germany being such a large player base.

GWFC wasn't responsible for the big player base. It may factor into the calculation to some degree, but in europe and especially germany, the number of pc players in relation to console gamers is higher than in other countries (in the usa it's the other way around). additionally for many gamers gw fills a niche and is a trendsetter on the other side of the mmo market (the other one is wow), which is also the least expensive of all mmos out there.

a german likes to get the most of his money - that's all.

Still Number One · Dec 27, 2010, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Killed u man

If GvG were to become active all of a sudden (read: ladder), watch how many guilds will decide to smurf again. Be it to test new builds, or be it just to farm worse players.

Good guilds don't test builds on ladder (unless they are joke builds like a dancing daggers spike) and farming worse players is boring for most good players because they are highly competitive and beating someone who doesn't know what he is doing got old back in 06. People smurf because they actually want to play GvG because they actually enjoy playing GvG.

If you have the choice between playing and not playing, you are going to play. You aren't gonna say, well I want to play but I might ruin the day of some newer players so I better not. In fact the newer players should use it as an opportunity to communicate with those guys. Try PMing the guy on the other team who most closely represents the role you are trying to complete on your team and try to ask him for tips. If he is nice about it ask him if he'd like to guest for you in the future. Make a friend for crying out loud.

xhappy feetx · Dec 28, 2010, 02:39 AM // 02:39

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

Try PMing the guy on the other team who most closely represents the role you are trying to complete on your team and try to ask him for tips. If he is nice about it ask him if he'd like to guest for you in the future. Make a friend for crying out loud.

Again, this.

I have had several newer players PM me recently and they always seem surprised as to how friendly some of us are compared to the stereotype elitist that again, got old in 2006.

All of us want to play the game, and we want more people to play the game with.

Xiao Erh · Dec 28, 2010, 03:52 AM // 03:52

My appreciation to those who GvG because of their love for the game. Being pragmatic, I think there is a dearth of competitive players simply because it is natural to seek fame and fortune in being the best that can be. Not taking away the current players, many very good players in their own right, many more will come on the scene if the rewards are attractive enough. If Anet can gather sponsors to provide tangible rewards plus those contributed by Anet, I am sure there is no lack of players. Anet should priced their products slightly higher for a PvP package to cater for those buying the game solely for PvP. In that way winners of competitions do get rewards available only for PvP players. In the past, winners did get real life rewards like Graphic Cards etc. Bringing the game Live to observers can add more flavour to the game. The Zaishen Predictions was sadly taken off but now Anet can do something similar for those who like to participate. Lastly, allowing various countries to host live competition will draw more customers and hence popularise the game even more. So fame and fortune I believe will be the key to having more players keen to participate in GvG.

Faction Gambler · Dec 28, 2010, 08:24 AM // 08:24

Ah... Good old days...

Missing HB · Dec 28, 2010, 11:29 AM // 11:29

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Originally Posted by Still Number One

If you have the choice between playing and not playing, you are going to play. You aren't gonna say, well I want to play but I might ruin the day of some newer players so I better not. In fact the newer players should use it as an opportunity to communicate with those guys. Try PMing the guy on the other team who most closely represents the role you are trying to complete on your team and try to ask him for tips. If he is nice about it ask him if he'd like to guest for you in the future. Make a friend for crying out loud.

Epic... So , if this is really right (and i'm sure it is) , basically GvG is only for those who do play it for over 2 years now , rest are just waiting their time. If there were many more guilds , smurfing wouldn't be a problem , because you get an oponent back in an instant ( i can remind you that from Hero Battles, people didn't care at all of smurf accs..). I agree with the point that in fact they want to play , but this just shows that the system was/is really bad...

And about the " pming other ppl" , i'm pretty sure 90% of time that guy will just ignore you , and also if you know players mentality , it's not a good thing to rely on to get better at GvG....

infi · Dec 28, 2010, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Epic... So , if this is really right (and i'm sure it is) , basically GvG is only for those who do play it for over 2 years now , rest are just waiting their time. If there were many more guilds , smurfing wouldn't be a problem , because you get an oponent back in an instant ( i can remind you that from Hero Battles, people didn't care at all of smurf accs..). I agree with the point that in fact they want to play , but this just shows that the system was/is really bad...

And about the " pming other ppl" , i'm pretty sure 90% of time that guy will just ignore you , and also if you know players mentality , it's not a good thing to rely on to get better at GvG....

arguing with you is pointless for many reasons. i dont even know why do people even try.
You just try to get excuses every time without trying to improve. Therefore, you have no chances to get better and you are late for 2 years or even more.

Killed u man · Dec 28, 2010, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Allow 2 guild changes per month. This won't hurt the many PvE'ers, and if anything it'll prevent all the guild hopping that happens in PvE aswell. (Faction guilds etc)

AT requirements are pointless, because PvP players are always going to find a way around it. (Like the 4 member requirement (2 now, I know), lulzy)

Missing HB · Dec 28, 2010, 02:37 PM // 14:37

I do believe there should be no requirement at all for AT's. At the moment , there are what , 3 guilds playing , rest being sec guilds forfeiting to be sure there's an AT or just normal forfeiters..... With no restriction , people would still be sure they would easily get 20 qpts , but there would be also more guilds showing up in my opinion....

In other words : in both systems , players are able to " cheat " , but in the new one there would be much more players for sure.

p.s : not gonna answer to second post above except if i'm proved there are many guilds playing on non-euro evenings

Spazzer · Dec 31, 2010, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Team Love was a good project for getting inexperienced players into GvG. Is it still active?

Also, I'd like to see open sealed deck games return. That's about as entry level as you can get, and it's fun for everyone.

xhappy feetx · Dec 31, 2010, 04:06 PM // 16:06

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Originally Posted by Spazzer

Team Love was a good project for getting inexperienced players into GvG. Is it still active?

Also, I'd like to see open sealed deck games return. That's about as entry level as you can get, and it's fun for everyone.

Nope, kiSu is dead as the people behind it stop trying/caring.

We have an idea which we will be announcing soon that may generate some interest

Missing HB · Jan 07, 2011, 04:37 PM // 16:37

So , now every non-euro evening tournament is turning to 1 guild playing and making register with sec guilds ( i.e you got example right now with [Boo] guild ). Could something in game be done ( maybe with GvG At req ) to not restrict those At's only to top players please? I remember those rawr cup mini tournaments were nice , why isn't something similar done....

Swingline · Jan 08, 2011, 05:37 AM // 05:37

wow... this is still an open thread?

xhappy feetx · Jan 08, 2011, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

So , now every non-euro evening tournament is turning to 1 guild playing and making register with sec guilds ( i.e you got example right now with [Boo] guild ). Could something in game be done ( maybe with GvG At req ) to not restrict those At's only to top players please? I remember those rawr cup mini tournaments were nice , why isn't something similar done....

We are on top of this, don't worry, there will be some news for everyone sometime soon once we get it done.

Artisan Archer · Jan 08, 2011, 12:24 PM // 12:24

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Originally Posted by xhappy feetx

We are on top of this, don't worry, there will be some news for everyone sometime soon once we get it done.

Looking forward to it!